Discussion Agencies are ruining OF for me...

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It doesn’t, because the analogy is terrible.

If an escort shows up with a dick that one didn’t expect to be there, then that materially affects one’s experience, because that’s a physical object in a physical encounter.

If you get a sext that says, “look at how hard my nipples are for your cock, big boy 😘” with a picture of the model’s hard nipples attached, then the experience is materially THE EXACT SAME from your end, as long as you never know who is sending it. In all cases, you’re getting the same text, and the same picture.

The only think that makes it different is the purely mental construct, the belief about who the message is from. What you’re recieving is the same. In neither case would the model take a look at your dick if you weren’t paying, nor do you know if their nipples are hard in the pic because of you (they aren’t), or because they’re watching a Henry Cavil movie or because they just got done fooling around with the real life partner.

If you never know—which you can’t unless you have video of the model sending every individual message—then your mind would never know the difference. That’s not at all the case with a physical escort, because it’s not a purely mental construct.

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Cool. Stop paying them, and see if they answer the same—or ANY—questions.

No? Then it isn’t “genuine” by the way 99.99% of the world defines that word. Only someone who has no real-world baseline for genuine, non-paid interactions with women and has only sexted and/or talks with women they pay would disagree. They only entertain your questions because you’re paying, so that in-and-of-itself is the “pretending to care” about anything you have to say part.
 
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AnonW0LF

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Personally I couldn't actually care less if I'm talking to the girl, given the fact they probably get hundreds of DMs a day it's never gonna really mean fuck all and personally isn't my type of thing, I'm here to see her body not to try to forge some kind of personal connection that on her end is just gonna be satisfying another customer anyhow. I think most of the time DMs are going to be ran by an agency anyway, as providing (relatively) active chats with hundreds of users is never going to be possible from a single person.

Content however is a whole different ballgame. Reasonable pricing, actual descriptions and value for money (actually getting what you pay for) and not being incessantly spammed "buy buy buy" when you're already paying a goddamn monthly subscription for content is incredibly worthwhile and seems to me that agencies pretty much tank all of this down the shitter when they take over.
 
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Right, I’m the one jumping through “mental hoops”, when there are people out there trying to convince themselves that people they pay to send messages with are having a “genuine experience”. Sure, pal.
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Oh right, the Double OF/Agency shadow cabal Agent apologist conspiracy! I almost forgot. :KEKWlaugh:

No, some people just have a different opinion. Shouldn’t be any harder to believe than believing a model wants to talk to a sub, and that the money is merely incidental to that interaction, instead of the entire purpose.

Besides, everything I’m saying isn’t tied to being an agency at all…same applies when a model’s husband/partner/friend/assistant replies.

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You act as though they’re guaranteed to find out, when that’s obviously not true.

No, if they don’t find out, then as far as they’re concerned, they’re still talking to the model in their own mental fantasy, and still happy. From a functional perspective, it doesn’t need to be the model, they just need to believe that it is.

Otherwise, what…do people who pay to sext think the model is actually getting excited to read their paid-for texts? They think they’re going to rizz them up with they’re dollars and they’re going to run away with with them?

It’s ALL fantasy, all artificial. A simulacra of sexting, rather than the real thing.
 

ShimanonoKyoken

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for everyone who thinks the agencies are bad at what they do check out the caption for one of kenzie anne's ppvs:


XXX TAPE BUNDLE 😱💦 I have collected 20 boy girl full length videos starting from 18 to 31 yеаrs old. From 2005 till 2024. Videos are filled with all the changes i went through these years: the age, the body, the hair, the boobs and whatever else could change 🤪 Here is the description to the videos and they are uploaded for you in a chronological order from 18 to 31: 



1. I am 18, year 2005. Blowjob, doggy, missionary, creampie. Length: 12 mins 

2. I am 19, year 2006. Blowjob, doggy, cum on tits. Length: 11 mins 

3. I am 20, year 2007. BJ, 69, ride and reverse ride, creampie. Length: 12 mins 

4. I am 21, year 2008. Blowjob, pussy ride, anal ride, creampie in ass. Length: 10 mins 

5. I am 22, year 2009. BJ, tittyfuck 69, doggy, ride, cum on tits. Length: 13 mins 

6. I am 23, year 2010. Blowjob, tittyfuck, anal ride, pussy ride, creampie in ass. Length: 9 mins 

7. I am 23, year 2011. Secretary role-play with blowjob, tittyfuck and cum in my mouth. Length: 15 mins 

8. I am 23, year 2012. Hotel fun. Blowjob, pussy rides, finger fuck, handjob. Length: 9 mins 

9. I am 26, year 2013. Blowjob, nipples tease, rides, missionary, cum in my mouth. Length: 10 mins 

10. I am 27, year 2014. Blowjob, handjob, rides, tittyfuck with cum on tits. Length: 12 mins 

11. I am 28, year 2015. Outdoor fun. Sexy strip, blowjob, doggy, ride, cum on my mouth. Length: 13 mins 

12. I am 29, year 2016. Blowjob, handjob, tittyfuck, doggy, cum between tits. Length: 8 mins 

13. I am 30, year 2017. Missionary, POVs, cum inside, on pussy. Length: 5 mins 

14. I am 31, year 2018. Fuck on a snooker table, sexy lingerie, stockings, blowjob, table missionary and doggy, cum on tits. Length: 13 mins 

15. I am 31, year 2019. Cowgirl outdoor, blowjob, tittyfuck, doggy, cum in mouth. Length: 9 mins 

16. I am 31, year 2020. Missionary, ride, handjob, boob bounce, creampie. Length: 9 mins 

17. I am 31, year 2021. Outdoor evening BJ, doggie, creampie. Length: 5 mins 
18. I am 35, year 2022. Outdoor strip, nipples suck, blowjob, boobs bounce, missionary, POVs, creampie. Length: 5 mins 

18. I am 35, year 2022. Outdoor strip, nipples suck, blowjob, boobs bounce, missionary, POVs, creampie. Length: 5 mins
19. I am 31, year 2023. Pussy fingering and pussy fuck in winter garden with oil and huge creampie. Length: 7 mins. 

20. i am 27, year 2024. Blowjob, tittyfuck, POV doggy fucking and POV crazy boobs bouncing with huge cum all over my face! Length: 9 mins*

^ notice how her age stays the same or wildly fluctuates even though she just celebrated her 30th a week or so ago :KEKWlaugh: who in their right mind would think a caption like this will generate sales??? :pauseChamp:
 

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Good thread it highlights a a growing problem. Everyone I know wants to talk to the women themselves or atleast their boyfriend or guy friend, not a business that is usually automated.

I'm not an agency but I know a few girls that want to and will make custom content, do you think anyone here would want to buy their content from me as apposed to buying from the agencies? I meet new girls all the time, who are down all of my friends tell me they don't know how I do it 😄
 

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Doubtful. I got the same PPV word for word from other accounts managed by the same agency. Smells like the agency is desperate for sales and will randomly compile videos of anything. I doubt there's anything actually good in it and it might not even all be vids of the girl from the account it's sent from.
 

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I feel like OF should make a rule making agency run accounts have to disclose they’re agency ran because I personally enjoy sexting with someone but the thought of being an agency and some random person behind the screen instead of the creator turns me off so much
 
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Good idea in theory.

Let’s assume they make that rule.

How in the world do you think it could possibly be enforced, in practice?

How could OF guarantee that the model is reading your sexts/messages, let alone responding to them?

Let’s say you send two screenshots from the same model, with obviously different “styles” of conversation, and words shared between the two screenshotted messages spelled differently in each.

Someone files a complaint. OF confronts the model:

OF: “Model, these two different messages sound like two completely different people. Did you write both?”
Model: “Yes, I’ve been A/B testing different styles to see what generates more engagement.”

OR

OF: “The IPs where these two posts originated are different, we have reason to believe it isn’t you.”
Model: “I travel and use different WiFi, and often use a VPN from different locations in the world for security and to protect my personal data.”

Those are just 2 examples. OF isn’t going to kill the accounts that make money for them just on the strength of “seems fishy”, and hard “proof” is difficult (if not impossible) to come by. Unless you (or other like you who want the same thing) have another idea?

What about if the model doesn’t use an “agency”, but just has a personal friend or partner? You’re still not sexting with the actual person…what then?

I’m not pro-agency, this is just a pragmatic view of the reality.

For the people who want to be “sure” they’re talking to the actual model…please enlighten us on how you would expect that to be guaranteed in a way that scales across hundreds/thousands of OF subscribers.
 

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OF probably never will make it a TOS rule that you have to disclose use of an agency. Because OF themselves even seem to be running an agency they peddle to models. That's how much they support agencies.

That said, if they DID make it a rule of TOS and they were adamant about enforcing that rule (again, not likely) a model's account that consistently gets reported by a great amount to members (maybe giving extra weight to the reports that come from higher paying members and/or members with older accounts) could be more closely investigated. Especially if the reports don't come only at specific time (as if someone is brigading them) but instead happen over an extended period of time.

As far as IP addresses go, if the IP addresses are logged as coming from different parts of the world consistently and at different times, then that adds further proof.

Speaking of times...even if the IP addresses come from the same countries and the model uses the "oh it's my VPN" excuse, if they're online hour after hour...for 24 hours with only a few minutes of breaks during those 24 hours, even more suspicious.

There could be a confluence of things that give credence to reports the account is agency run. Technically, they could never be certain if it is agency run. But if they wanted to give priority to their customers they'd be willing to overlook that 1%-10% chance it's not an agency and sacrifice a few false positives. And they don't have to outright ban/delete the account...they could penalize it with limitations...like not being able to send mass messages anymore or at least not being able to send PPV mass messages.

But again, them prioritizing customers and sacrificing potential money like that? Unlikely.
 

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lol here’s a bundle from Alex Kay’s dms:

XXX TAPE BUNDLE 😱💦 I have collected 20 full length videos starting from 18 to 31 yеаrs old. From 2011 till 2024 . Videos are filled with all the changes i went through these years: the age, the body, the hair, the boobs and whatever else could change 🤪 Here is the description to the videos and they are uploaded for you in a chronological order from 18 to 26

Years are changed and two different age ranges are listed lol. There wasn’t a detailed description of each video, but same intro verbatim.

I saw this on March 16, no idea if it was spammed earlier. I muted her account a week or two ago after there was a drastic change to her dms and wall posts. Super, super spammy now.
 

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I’m all for pragmatism and problem solving. I can’t speak for anyone else, but sometimes people just want to vent and complain, which is what I’ve mostly done on this thread.

To put it plainly, I hate when a model actually puts in their bio “come here to talk directly to me!” or some shit like that when it’s clearly an agency. There’s probably no way to fix it for every instance of that on OF, but it’s still fucking annoying. It’s not even that I want to believe I’m talking to them, it’s that THEY TELL ME I AM, only for that to obviously be a lie.

I’ve asked girls to make a 10 second video that shows their face and has them answer one or two super basic, elementary-level questions (favorite color or some bullshit). This is in the middle of a typical agency convo where you get a response in 1-3 minutes. I tell them if the video takes longer than 2 minutes to get to me after the second check mark, I’m assuming the person I’m chatting with told the model what to do, they made it, sent it to the chatter, then the chatter sent it to me.

Whenever I’ve done this, I get left on read, another agency hallmark when they don’t know how to respond or answer a question. This has worked for me, but isn’t something that OF can realistically implement site-wide.

Is it possible to 100% KNOW you’re talking to the model all the time? No. But everyone has their threshold for what they’re willing to accept.

OF won’t do anything as long as these accounts continue to make money. But so many of them just recycle old content that it’s not worth following them anyway. I’ve open support tickets and told OF which accounts I’m not spending money on anymore because I’m confident they’re run by an agency. It doesn’t matter to them in the grand scheme of things, but the only thing we can do is vote with our wallets.
 

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I got blocked from Kenzie Anne's stream yesterday when I said she should fire the agency for posting other pics of other blonde women and claiming it's her. she hilariously doesn't want people to know she doesn't run her page anymore even though it's so obvious.

Jokes on her coz she raged quit her stream when tips got "slow" and she got mad at another customer in the stream for complaining he hasn't gotten the skype session she paid for. she outright told him to get a refund. :KEKWlaugh: it's funny to watch idiots like her implode as their lies catch up with them
 
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Have to wonder if some of the men posting on these girls accounts are this stupid or maybe subpar AI that's still learning.

Kenzie Anne's page posted

how horny are you right now? 👀

only the photo isn't of Kenzie herself but Hayley Davies. The photo even has the watermark onlyfans.com/hayleydaviesxx (which also isn't her current handle so that pic is outdated too)
 
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