Discussion Agencies are ruining OF for me...

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Every time I read someone say, “but I know I’m talking to {model}”, I immediately picture this on their wall:
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…because, no, you don’t know.

Just because a model isn’t using the agency “template” of an extremely horny personality switch and constant pressure to buy PPVs…doesn’t mean you’re talking to the person.

Plenty of OF models use partners/assistants/friends/etc to answer DMs. A request for a video saying a particular name for “proof” can be forwarded to the actual person. The same way non-authors hire uncredited ghostwriters for books, OF models can get people who know them to answer messages on their behalf. I’m sure, like me, we all have friends we’ve texted with enough to be able to emulate their “style”—both writing and personality mannerisms—so it’d be the same for any model savvy enough to hire/enlist “help” that doesn’t obviously announce itself as “it’s a different person writing this”.

This is why I find calls to audit/regulate this particular aspect of the business proposition so impotent and DOA.

I’d like just one person here who thinks the, “I’m really talking to them” part should be policed to explain exactly how that auditing/regulation/policing would actually work in practice.

I understand dicks and brains want to believe the fantasy…but a bunch of easily spoofable context clues isn’t “proof” of anything, as much as the self-appointed Senior DM Analysts around here want to swear, “I can tell!” up and down.

Why aren’t the goods/content/photos/videos good enough for some of you when it comes to models? Why do you want/need to pretend you have some sort of “relationship” with them because you pay them to read your texts?
 
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abramovich

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In my case I know this model because she was/is a cam girl, I have done Skype calls with her and sexting sessions are instant via Snapchat, she responds to exactly what I say in snap videos, remembers my preferences, she also posts her daily life in Snapchat and is sometimes complaining about customers or industry. That’s apart from properly organized OF page, pricing structure, content description.

She actually not long ago posted screen shots from Instagram of agency in Philippines and she said that fans have to pick their poison it’s either having to deal with real woman or accept it’s all fake Philippines chatters because she receives upset messages if she was not replying for 6-8 hours while asleep.
 
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What does being a cam girl have to do with knowing they’re the ones talking?
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That’s proof that’s she’s on Skype on that particular time, says nothing about texts/DMs that arrive in-between
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Again, that part can be her, that doesn’t mean EVERY part is.
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Are these videos in a language no one else but you and the model understand?

If I was an OF assistant to this girl, I could easily be the one watching the videos, and the creator AND I could use a shared notes app/CRM to keep track of specific customers preferences/requests, if my memory alone can’t do it from just watching all your videos.
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Sure would be a smart thing to do to appear more “authentic” and make people feel they are getting a “peek behind the scenes”.

I’m not saying you’re definitively not talking to this model…maybe you are. My point is that even your “proof” are context clues that can be spoofed. Just because you get some video of the creator responding, that doesn’t incontrovertibly guarantee that every interaction you have—unless you have video of the creator typing every message to you and hitting send—is directly coming from them.
 
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Who’s assuming that? Obviously, that’s not true—I dont think anyone would dispute that.

The broader point is simply that one cannot be certain—outside of a video of the model themselves replying to every message—that one is talking to the model directly.

Outside of that, it’s faith—not proof. Which is why I think it’s a ridiculous “standard” for people to chase.
 
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Plenty of people around here talk about having “conversations” with models.
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And the initial read and passing along to the request could be done by someone else, and you’d never know.
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In that interaction, where you can see them, that’s proof. I’ve already allowed for video proof of them responding being an exception.
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Have you read the posts around here? Some people are.
 

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i mean you are sounding very tinfoil hat-y. generally accounts with low numbers of subscribers would be run by the person directly since they can't afford to pay someone else. yeah i guess a friend or something could help them every once in a while but i don't know how common that really is. some models also respond to messages with voice notes as well.
 
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It’s not conspiratorial, tin-foil hat thinking to say that there is no way to know for certain that someone is talking to the actual model in every interaction.

You can have circumstantial evidence, you can have context clues…but that isn’t incontrovertible proof.

This assertion is nowhere near saying “all models do, in practice, have people helping them out”.

Can you really not distinguish the difference between the broader, macro-level, “there is no way to truly prove it’s the model responding in every interaction” and the micro-level of individual models? I guess I shouldn’t expect a coomer board to do nuanced thinking.

The context clues and assumptions are good enough for you to be confident? Cool! You do you. I’m not saying anyone is definitively not talking to the model…I’m just saying it isn’t proof.

You’re right in saying, “you don’t know how common that is”…which is my entire point. There’s a reason you don’t know, and wouldn’t know—if it’s not the reason I’m saying…why don’t you know how common it is, then?
 
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Do y’all actually care if you’re talking to the girl or do y’all want better content that’s not overpriced/getting spammed by the agencies
 

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I think it’s reasonable to except paid live sexting with actual girl with pictures and videos being done in the moment.
Video calls obviously as well (that’s one thing can’t be faked whatsoever), cock ratings and customs to be done as agreed and to not be generic.
 
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I’m just there to see a hot woman, I wouldn’t get anything extra from paying for someone to pretend that they want to exchange messages with me.

Sexting is hot to me when I know the other person is into me and it’s genuine, not a pantomime where the other person is only telling me what I want to hear because of the financial incentive. Otherwise it has all the electricity—the element I think makes it fun, erotic, and interesting—of an actor playing a role for work. That is to say, zero.

For example, when an attractive woman tells me I’m cute/good looking or gives me some other compliment…I feel pretty good about that! If a particular woman wouldn’t say it—which they wouldn’t—unless I handed them $20 (or whatever), then it’s stripped of all meaning. Same thing applies to sexting.

If I want to sext, I’ll do it someone who won’t charge me for the privilege.

So, no, I don’t care if I’m talking to the actual model, because all talk we’d engage in isn’t real…it’s pure artifice all the way down.

I don’t delude myself into thinking a local stripper likes me and wants to talk to me, either. Some people can live in a pure fantasy world, though. Which is fine, I’m not making a value judgement if someone can forget about the fakeness, different strokes. To me, the incongruence comes from, “I want my fake sexting and fake conversations to be real!”
 

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Both, including my care for if I'm talking to the girl.

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It's not "incongruent" to want them to at least be the real person as is seen in their content and to not (at the very worst) be some random dude.

Think about paying for sex from an escort. This may astound you, but some escorts actually enjoy being with some customers and fucking them. And yet they'll still require payment. And both the escort and customer will be OK with this transaction.

On the flip side, the escort may not be too into the guy and may not enjoy the sex much. And the man is aware of this and OK with it. He still gets enjoyment of the female body and feminine presence. This is similar to the "pure fantasy world" that you say you're OK with and don't judge.

Now this person okay with the fakeness probably wouldn't be okay with arriving at the hotel and seeing the escort actually has a dick in between their legs. Or okay with them being a woman but look completely different from the advertised pictures. I find it hard to think someone would find it incongruent for them to be fine with the fakeness of the interaction but not fine with the escort not being as advertised. Just like I find it hard for you to see incongruence in paying to have a "fake" interaction with an onlyfans girls but expect/hope they are the real girl.

Yes, a purely digital interaction is different from a real-time, face to face interaction. My point still stands.

I also haven't even touched on how there are genuine interactions you can get with the onlyfans models that don't involve sexting them or them pretending to care about you. Like asking them questions that you want their thoughts and opinions about (including sexual questions but not in a sexting way).
 

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Of course, professional agencies had worst conditions of work, and can had worst payment drama than gumroad