Simp Chat Aftynrose - Discussion Thread

[keklord]

Thread now is pure copium. Still clinging onto Aftyn by being salty over her not ending things officially through Patreon.

 

[FlyPanAm]

It's one thing to hold out hope for a return to the platforms where she may have had content. It is another matter to wish bad things for her or try to meddle in her personal life as if they are owed something.

Nastiness notwithstanding, I think Aftyn handled her exit very poorly. I kept up a bit on her second hiatus to see if there had been any new developments around her return and saw the frequent posts on other forums stating that she had "paused her Patreon AGAIN", leading to a lot of the familiar characters bitching about the lack of progress/new content. Whatever her exact reasons - mental health, doxxing, falling in love and the guy not being OK with what she was doing, getting the bag - she attained a "queen bee"-level status and disappointed a lot of people in disappearing. Anytime money is involved and you piss people off, you're going to bring on a lot of the trouble that comes your way if you're someone like Aftyn.

Ultimately, the issue here is not with Aftyn. It's with Patreon allowing you to still pay the initial fee to subscribe to someone, when their patreon is on pause. These are problems with the platform, not her. I get that it is annoying and frustrating for this to happen, but the anger should be directed at patreon in cases like this, not her. She did all that is expected of her. I'm not saying this as a simp who thinks she can do no wrong. It's the opposite: she's not that big of a deal. All of her success and popularity is relative to the fact that we're talking about ASMRtists. This came out to like, 220k followers. That's peanuts compared to actual celebrities. She only achieved queen bee status within the community of people who masturbate to ear licking videos. Expecting a formal explanation and announcement she was leaving is expecting too much, and from a business perspective like that you're pointing to, the problem is really with Patreon continuing to accept money from people for accounts that are not active. Also, I want to draw attention to the fact that we're talking about the community of people who masturbate to ear licking videos. When people leave this line of work, they usually want to cut all ties.

 

[ssfan]

Ultimately, the issue here is not with Aftyn. It's with Patreon allowing you to still pay the initial fee to subscribe to someone, when their patreon is on pause. These are problems with the platform, not her. I get that it is annoying and frustrating for this to happen, but the anger should be directed at patreon in cases like this, not her. She did all that is expected of her. I'm not saying this as a simp who thinks she can do no wrong. It's the opposite: she's not that big of a deal. All of her success and popularity is relative to the fact that we're talking about ASMRtists. This came out to like, 220k followers. That's peanuts compared to actual celebrities. She only achieved queen bee status within the community of people who masturbate to ear licking videos. Expecting a formal explanation and announcement she was leaving is expecting too much, and from a business perspective like that you're pointing to, the problem is really with Patreon continuing to accept money from people for accounts that are not active. Also, I want to draw attention to the fact that we're talking about the community of people who masturbate to ear licking videos. When people leave this line of work, they usually want to cut all ties.

Well said FlyPanAm, and I find your responses impressive by the way.

 

[Aluvis]

Point of emphasis - I'm not calling for anyone to make trouble for Aftyn - but it would be mighty interesting to report most of her pages to the customer support groups that exist on Patreon and elsewhere to see how they would respond to a page that has active subscribers but no content being churned out. If it's been abandoned, then there's no good reason for it to exist. Or there should be a badge or flag added to that person's pages that state that they haven't been active on the page in X number of months or years to dissuade people from giving her their money at this time.

To be fair, she's not making any money from Patreon since she's been pausing payments each month. But it is an interesting question to ask whether Patreon should disable an account that has been inactive for nearly two years or let the creator continually stop payments.

 

[robertohavito]

To be fair, she's not making any money from Patreon since she's been pausing payments each month. But it is an interesting question to ask whether Patreon should disable an account that has been inactive for nearly two years or let the creator continually stop payments.

Any page that is kept open directly implies that the services being advertised are presently offered and the schedule defined by the creator is "current". It's not a good look for either side to keep those services advertised if the creator has no intention of resuming work.

Kind of like businesses on Yelp or Google that don't have listings properly updated when either the business sees changes or permanently closes - it's not going to affect either the business owner or the platform itself (Yelp/Google), but it's sloppy and might dissuade someone from wanting to use the platform further if they can't keep their records accurate.

 

[robertohavito]

Ultimately, the issue here is not with Aftyn. It's with Patreon allowing you to still pay the initial fee to subscribe to someone, when their patreon is on pause. These are problems with the platform, not her. I get that it is annoying and frustrating for this to happen, but the anger should be directed at patreon in cases like this, not her. She did all that is expected of her. I'm not saying this as a simp who thinks she can do no wrong. It's the opposite: she's not that big of a deal. All of her success and popularity is relative to the fact that we're talking about ASMRtists. This came out to like, 220k followers. That's peanuts compared to actual celebrities. She only achieved queen bee status within the community of people who masturbate to ear licking videos. Expecting a formal explanation and announcement she was leaving is expecting too much, and from a business perspective like that you're pointing to, the problem is really with Patreon continuing to accept money from people for accounts that are not active. Also, I want to draw attention to the fact that we're talking about the community of people who masturbate to ear licking videos. When people leave this line of work, they usually want to cut all ties.

Patreon is providng Aftyn the framework to advertise her wares. She defines the tiers of subscribers, the schedule, the types of content she offers and boundary lines, and so on. Because Aftyn dreamt up most of this herself (or even in collaboration with others), the success or failure of her business and relationship with her fans is entirely on her. The creators on these platforms are operating as mostly self-contained units with the platform support team acting in a hands-off capacity or as mediators when disputes arrive. She is her own business - this is further evidenced by having her own website and copyright(s) as found on said website.

Patreon is just one distribution channel for her work and part of the problem, but not THE problem. When you're giving money to a business and have expectations riding on that money where lead time is understood or a timed delivery is defined by a subscription, it's in good taste to provide an explanation/announcement for lateness and not unreasonable as far as having an expectation goes - regardless of the industry. The notion that patrons aren't being charged while this extended pause is in effect doesn't negate the preference for an explanation but only helps her avoid/deflect some criticism that she's turning a profit in her absence.

These platforms' mission statements are built around removing the barriers between creators and their fans. You build a rapport with them collectively and sometimes individually (custom content for example). And while business might be good for a while and things are seemingly normal, you destroy that rapport and goodwill when you engage in a disappearing routine. Also, when you're very popular and you do something like this, you have several very loud voices representing segments of the fanbase with varying levels of justifiable outrage depending on why they're upset or why they think she left. The only scenario where I see her being totally blameless is if she was told (by the authorities or a lawyer) to not have any mass contact with the public because she was facing some sort of legal consequence that could have made things bad for her. Absent that as an explanation, the situation was well within her control and she's still guilty of ghosting people.

This is why I think Gen Z is collectively fucked in terms of being entrepreneurs and business owners. Professionalism and respect is ultimately a two-way street and I don't think that many of Aftyn's generation are well-equipped to deal with situations comparable to hers other than completely checking out and hoping people/problems will fade away.

 

[feline]

we went from incels hating her for getting married to people thinking scam artists are something new, what a thread

 

[robertohavito]

we went from incels hating her for getting married to people thinking scam artists are something new, what a thread

You and me are OK, so with what I'm about to say next, this isn't intended to be a barb at you.

Do you genuinely think Aftyn's a scam artist? Consider my question leading to a quasi-academic analysis of that very possibility.

 

[feline]

You and me are OK, so with what I'm about to say next, this isn't intended to be a barb at you.

Do you genuinely think Aftyn's a scam artist? Consider my question leading to a quasi-academic analysis of that very possibility.

She had her patreon paused and that's that. Nobody lost any money when she wasn't releasing content. That's more than what other girls do tbh and there's not much to add about it.

 

[robertohavito]

Thread now is pure copium. Still clinging onto Aftyn by being salty over her not ending things officially through Patreon.

How about offering something original instead of cluttering up the thread with something others have noted? What positive contribution does your observation provide this conversation?

 

[FlyPanAm]

Patreon is providng Aftyn the framework to advertise her wares. She defines the tiers of subscribers, the schedule, the types of content she offers and boundary lines, and so on. Because Aftyn dreamt up most of this herself (or even in collaboration with others), the success or failure of her business and relationship with her fans is entirely on her. The creators on these platforms are operating as mostly self-contained units with the platform support team acting in a hands-off capacity or as mediators when disputes arrive. She is her own business - this is further evidenced by having her own website and copyright(s) as found on said website.

Patreon is just one distribution channel for her work and part of the problem, but not THE problem. When you're giving money to a business and have expectations riding on that money where lead time is understood or a timed delivery is defined by a subscription, it's in good taste to provide an explanation/announcement for lateness and not unreasonable as far as having an expectation goes - regardless of the industry. The notion that patrons aren't being charged while this extended pause is in effect doesn't negate the preference for an explanation but only helps her avoid/deflect some criticism that she's turning a profit in her absence.

These platforms' mission statements are built around removing the barriers between creators and their fans. You build a rapport with them collectively and sometimes individually (custom content for example). And while business might be good for a while and things are seemingly normal, you destroy that rapport and goodwill when you engage in a disappearing routine. Also, when you're very popular and you do something like this, you have several very loud voices representing segments of the fanbase with varying levels of justifiable outrage depending on why they're upset or why they think she left. The only scenario where I see her being totally blameless is if she was told (by the authorities or a lawyer) to not have any mass contact with the public because she was facing some sort of legal consequence that could have made things bad for her. Absent that as an explanation, the situation was well within her control and she's still guilty of ghosting people.

This is why I think Gen Z is collectively fucked in terms of being entrepreneurs and business owners. Professionalism and respect is ultimately a two-way street and I don't think that many of Aftyn's generation are well-equipped to deal with situations comparable to hers other than completely checking out and hoping people/problems will fade away.

You're missing the point. Patreon is also a business and a company. Them allowing you to continue to accept subscriptions when you're not producing new content is their decision and their policy. They are collecting a percentage of this money; it's not all going to Aftyn. This is a decision Patreon has made. In no way does this mean she doesn't have her own business. However, is she accepting money on these other platforms? She's not. It's just Patreon. This is because Patreon either allows people to do this so they can continue to make money, or, they have neglected to address this loophole.

If you put all of the emphasis on Aftyn, then it is perfectly reasonable on a legal front for Aftyn as a business owner to continue to have her patreon up for people to pay to see existing content. People who no longer do porn still can profit off their previous work. Expecting her to say goodbye or communicate with you is parasocial. She doesn't owe you anything. She doesn't need to be polite to you. She disappeared periodically and still made buckets of money -- at the very least enough to buy a very nice house. When you talk about professionalism and respect, you are again forgetting we are talking about the community of people who jerk off to videos of her licking a microphone. I think the comments in this thread make it pretty clear this is not a community that cherishes professionalism and respect.

 

[robertohavito]

You're missing the point. Patreon is also a business and a company. Them allowing you to continue to accept subscriptions when you're not producing new content is their decision and their policy. They are collecting a percentage of this money; it's not all going to Aftyn. This is a decision Patreon has made. In no way does this mean she doesn't have her own business. However, is she accepting money on these other platforms? She's not. It's just Patreon. This is because Patreon either allows people to do this so they can continue to make money, or, they have neglected to address this loophole.

If you put all of the emphasis on Aftyn, then it is perfectly reasonable on a legal front for Aftyn as a business owner to continue to have her patreon up for people to pay to see existing content. People who no longer do porn still can profit off their previous work. Expecting her to say goodbye or communicate with you is parasocial. She doesn't owe you anything. She doesn't need to be polite to you. She disappeared periodically and still made buckets of money -- at the very least enough to buy a very nice house. When you talk about professionalism and respect, you are again forgetting we are talking about the community of people who jerk off to videos of her licking a microphone. I think the comments in this thread make it pretty clear this is not a community that cherishes professionalism and respect.

Here's an analogy - ever hear about bridal gown makers that disappear with people's money when they go bankrupt, leaving the brides in question without the work they were expecting and ruining their big day? Happens pretty often. You commit to sacrificing part of your wedding budget to this person for the sake of making bridal gowns and build a rapport with the business owner and team. Even though you're one customer among many, there's a personalized experience that the bridal gown shop owner tries to establish with the bride (and possibly the groom) because a wedding's a big deal in a lot of cases and a lot of money is riding on it. Maybe you've selected them based on a recommendation from someone else without doing your homework. Then one day, as you're going to pick up your dress(es), there's an empty storefront and a sign on the door saying that they went out of business - they thank you for your patronage of their business over the years that they were open. You call their business phone number and their line is disconnected. Word eventually gets out from unverified sources that the business filed for bankruptcy - which would say a lot about why they went silent - they were probably told to stay quiet by a lawyer because lawsuits were around the corner. You're out some hundreds or thousands of dollars and no dress(es) for the big day. Being pissed would be an understatement.

What's the point of this analogy? Aftyn wasn't providing services comparable to a bridal shop owner and what the fuck does this have to do with her leaving Patreon/whose fault it is? Aftyn's the bridal shop owner providing the bridal gowns, the simps are the metaphorical brides that have committed to the cost of having her and her team make gowns for the big day and the business's sudden closure with little explanation is her departure from the scene. I'm sure you're thinking "apples and oranges", but it's a case of people having a commitment to your business and work with a continuous customer-facing interaction that gets upended because the business owner goes AWOL and people feel short-changed.

One more - crowd-funded projects through websites like Kickstarter. People will commit a lot of money to things that sometimes never come to pass for different reasons. Ever heard of the Polymega? It's a game console that plays a lot of legacy game systems through physical "modules". It's been in development for a long time and kept seeing setbacks that the project leads couldn't have foreseen - the chip shortage and supply chain issues among them. Backers/contributors got pissed and there's a ton of them that asked for refunds because deadlines weren't being met despite setting down hundreds of dollars for something they were wondering if they'd ever see. As of now, you can pre-order their latest module but it's going to take 3-6 months to see it delivered to your home. Based on their track record, I see them fucking this up too.

What's the point of this analogy as well? Aftyn's not building game consoles and that particular line of work isn't as personalized as say the bridal shop analogy. It still involves a commitment of money based on an expectation. In this scenario, Aftyn's the project lead asking for a contribution to provide a good or service, the backers/contributors are her simps and the failure to meet deadlines for the project is the same as her leaving without explanation. Much like Patreon, Kickstarter more than likely gets involved in disputes when a backer feels short-changed among other reasons. But in that case, the conduct and success or failure of the project is on the project owner when deadlines fail to be met and expectations are ruined - coordinating the mass production of an indie game console and the various entities/moving parts in the background mean nothing to the backers. In both scenarios, a lot of people's money is riding on the success and satisfaction of the product or services rendered. Aftyn wasn't charging hundreds/thousands of dollars for her services, sure, but she was making a lot of money from a good many people. The dollar amount has impact on the reaction of the disenfranchised and people are blowing it out of proportion in Aftyn's case - they aren't being charged perhaps, but there's still an electronic record somewhere that conveys the business relationship between creator and patron going unfulfilled - lowered/failure to meet expectations.

TL;DR/moral of the story for all three scenarios - the bridal shop story, the Polymega setbacks and Aftyn's departure - people associate money with an expectation. Failure to deliver on that expectation brings out all sorts of reactions and short of any sort of misdeeds against her, she probably deserves a lot of what's been said about her. They may not owe anyone an explanation in any of the three stories, but it's good for business and preventing people from wanting stuff to happen to you - it will keep a lot of the crazies at bay.

Your point about Patreon being its own business and therefore has the most if not all of the blame is a valid stance and I'm not telling you that you're wrong. I think this is mostly hinges on the lens through which we choose to view the situation. That said, I'm still standing by the notion that Onlyfans, Fansly and Patreon each leave the responsibilities of a creator selling their wares largely up to the creator themselves, which makes them their own business in a manner of speaking, and that makes the creator on the hook for keeping good business relations with their public.

If a sex worker who didn't regularly communicate with fans and have direct ties through subscription-based work - i.e. regular porn stars who would be seen as professionals as opposed to Aftyn who would probably be categorized as an amateur - those folks can walk away from their given professions without much penalty. Even outside of porn, it would seem ULTRA-parasocial if fans tailed actors and actresses and bothered them in all the places imaginable - IRL or online - wanting answers about their career moves and personal life; that's just straight-up stalking.

If I was personally let down by Aftyn's lack of communication, then yes, I would be exhibiting parasocial behavior. But I was never subscribed to her in any capacity and only became aware of who she was after she jumped ship. I don't care about whatever she's got going on in her life that made her end her career prematurely. I'm speaking only as an outside observer that has seen the rabid emotions of her let-down simps and weighing in on it because like yourself, I find the reaction baffling from a personal standpoint but in my own way, I view it as a failure from a business standpoint.

 

[robertohavito]

You're missing the point. Patreon is also a business and a company. Them allowing you to continue to accept subscriptions when you're not producing new content is their decision and their policy. They are collecting a percentage of this money; it's not all going to Aftyn. This is a decision Patreon has made. In no way does this mean she doesn't have her own business. However, is she accepting money on these other platforms? She's not. It's just Patreon. This is because Patreon either allows people to do this so they can continue to make money, or, they have neglected to address this loophole.

If you put all of the emphasis on Aftyn, then it is perfectly reasonable on a legal front for Aftyn as a business owner to continue to have her patreon up for people to pay to see existing content. People who no longer do porn still can profit off their previous work. Expecting her to say goodbye or communicate with you is parasocial. She doesn't owe you anything. She doesn't need to be polite to you. She disappeared periodically and still made buckets of money -- at the very least enough to buy a very nice house. When you talk about professionalism and respect, you are again forgetting we are talking about the community of people who jerk off to videos of her licking a microphone. I think the comments in this thread make it pretty clear this is not a community that cherishes professionalism and respect.

An even better TL;DR - I see this as being a cautionary tale and good use of the "actions have consequences" trope in Aftyn's case. She brought the heat on herself and it's her problem to deal with the fallout from her bad decisions.

 

[FlyPanAm]

and it's her problem to deal with the fallout from her bad decisions.

It's not. She will never have to deal with this or face the consequences unless she wants to. What fallout are you referring to? The only fallout I can think of is her being bad mouthed on websites like this. Her actions have made it very clear she does not care about what people like us think of her, and wants to cut us out of her life... so there's no fallout for her.

 

[feline]

Tbh, as I've kept saying, she did pause her Patreon, and it's not like she has an obligation to keep releasing videos. So yeah, I'm kinda confused by the evolution of this thread.

 

[FlyPanAm]

Tbh, as I've kept saying, she did pause her Patreon, and it's not like she has an obligation to keep releasing videos. So yeah, I'm kinda confused by the evolution of this thread.

I really don't get it either, even though I probably contributed to the confusion. I was assuming, somehow, she was still collecting money from Patreon even though her account was paused. I thought maybe it was still letting people initially subscribe, but then wouldn't charge you after the first month because it was paused or something.

If people truly aren't paying Patreon anymore for her content, then I really don't get what Roberto's problem is. You're right that she doesn't have any obligations to keep releasing videos. She doesn't have any obligation to say goodbye either. People on youtube and who do porn just stop all the time and don't make any kind of formal announcement.

 

[Wallyb]

I really don't get it either, even though I probably contributed to the confusion. I was assuming, somehow, she was still collecting money from Patreon even though her account was paused. I thought maybe it was still letting people initially subscribe, but then wouldn't charge you after the first month because it was paused or something.

If people truly aren't paying Patreon anymore for her content, then I really don't get what Roberto's problem is. You're right that she doesn't have any obligations to keep releasing videos. She doesn't have any obligation to say goodbye either. People on youtube and who do porn just stop all the time and don't make any kind of formal announcement.

It doesn't cost anything to stay subbed, which is why she still has 3.5k subs. However, It does cost money to become a new sub.

 

[feline]

It doesn't cost anything to stay subbed, which is why she still has 3.5k subs. However, It does cost money to become a new sub.

It's public knowledge she hasn't uploaded in years, though. Signing up when it's been like that sounds more like a skill issue if you ask me

 

[robertohavito]

It's public knowledge she hasn't uploaded in years, though. Signing up when it's been like that sounds more like a skill issue if you ask me

Consumer protection laws generally favor the feeble and naïve. Not everyone can be expected to have the same Internet savvy from person to person.

 

[robertohavito]

It's not. She will never have to deal with this or face the consequences unless she wants to. What fallout are you referring to? The only fallout I can think of is her being bad mouthed on websites like this. Her actions have made it very clear she does not care about what people like us think of her, and wants to cut us out of her life... so there's no fallout for her.

I would reason that it is her problem. Any attempt to dox her or leak new information was likely done in an effort to get back at her. She didn't cover her tracks well enough (as evidenced by someone finding her real name and sharing the wedding pictures) and her ghosting her fanbase brought this out. I'm not condoning it or encouraging it, but in most cases, that's the result people with Internet savvy using their powers for evil. She's lucky worse hasn't happened to her.