Nolgoth
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It has been mentioned in the nsfw chat channel
Simp Chat Kiwisunset Discussion
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Hopefully more people keep bringing it up. Likely won't matter but if people keep bringing it up the only options are the agency tries to silence it, furthering questions about it, or she act answers the questions and we find out what's going on.
capnfaphn20
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thats their porn queue bot auto sending and removing anything they put in there. they can set it for different lengths of time and they may even be able to set it to start sending more after any responses. sometimes they start grouping people into buyers and non buyers and it can get pretty crazy how they work it, but seeing an unread message means no one is actively reading your replies anymore
Well that's a shitty system but yeah, they've probably tossed me in the non-buyer group. Which is their/her own fault. I didn't mind spending money on her occasionally but now I won't ever again.thats their porn queue bot auto sending and removing anything they put in there. they can set it for different lengths of time and they may even be able to set it to start sending more after any responses. sometimes they start grouping people into buyers and non buyers and it can get pretty crazy how they work it, but seeing an unread message means no one is actively reading your replies anymore
capnfaphn20
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I agree with you. Ever since they started making all of these changes and ways to manage pages, it opened the door for these companies to ruin a page very quickly. What sucks most is the girls that do run their own, like she used to do, they could set things up to run for months at a time if they wanted and wouldnt have to do much but log in and collect their check. Of all the girls that have good potential and dont get followings like hers, its an agency's dream to take over accounts that are built up that big so they can run it right into the ground. And the small accounts that do put in effort dont get seen or dont have the time to focus on good content. Kiwi did the bare minimum for so long and many were patient waiting for a comeback only to get a slap in the face. I followed what you or others have done and unsubbed and blocked the account because I doubt there will be anything good ever showing up.
It just makes me wonder if some of these girls actually know something and thats why they are giving up their accounts like that or if they are just thinking because they got lucky, they "earned" this. Like what is so attractive about knowing they could be doing the exact same thing without the sub interaction part and not give up such a large percentage of what they could make, but would rather let someone else trash their image? I guess scams are the new "it" thing. Ill never understand it.
Zureaal or however she spells it recently posted a message she received from an agency looking to take over her account, the agency claims they take 70% of their "talents" earnings. I don't know if that's accurate or a faked conversation but it wouldn't surprise me if the agency is robbing these girls without them fully understanding it. But on the other hand, maybe this is how some of them leave the scene. Rather than outright quitting, they let an agency take over and still get passive income, even if it isn't a lot.
capnfaphn20
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It was probably real, or at least really happened to someone since that is the going rate for some of these newer agencies. But there is a range from 20-70% and given how many there are, she would have been a fucking fool to go for the high amount one even though most of them do similar things. The thing is these girls talk and its not like she isnt in the know with a mix of perspectives and experiences. It is true that they get a passive income and its mostly hands off, but that tends to be for these newer girls that dont have followings and they just start right off with IG pics and occasionally lewd/nude content depending how much they get them to do.
Her situation is more in line with these established accounts that give it up like you are saying, and I am only aware of them either taking what is already in existence on the page and will spam the shit out of it, or the other side where they actually get them to make new content once in a blue moon and mix it in so anyone who wasnt there is none the wiser.
I know it isnt my decision to make so whatever she does, thats on her. Im out of it, but no matter what way I look at it, its just a huge disappointment to see her go this route. If there are some personal reasons, I can partially understand that, but too much of it just seems like its the other part you mention where shes going to use it as a passive means until it dries up. And it will eventually, I just cant help but wonder if it will be sooner rather than later with how the whole ecosystem is an infestation of these scourge on accounts.
T.R.G.C.
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Most of her appeal was her authenticity and that's gone now so her popularity will deteriorate over time.
She will always have a certain amount of loyal simps but I'm not sure if they create enough revenue for her to keep the cars, house an other expensive expenditures...
She will always have a certain amount of loyal simps but I'm not sure if they create enough revenue for her to keep the cars, house an other expensive expenditures...
veggiedude
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If I’m being honest… like truly brutally honest. Even though a lot of us saw her authenticity and appreciation of nerd and gaming culture as her main appeal... I genuinely believe a lot of her larger paypigs had a weird fetishized attraction to her small size and youth and you can fill in the rest. While I personally liked the piercings and tattoos until they got crazy, a LOT of people complained it took away from her “pure” image, like she wasn’t already shoving her ass in our faces any chance she got (miss those days). And I think she KNEW that. Hence why she started wearing more youthful undergarments instead of g-strings and thongs (sigh… miss those days too.) but now even I think she’s gone a little overboard with the body modifications and tattoos. I can only imagine how turned off well…. “That” crowd… is. I’m all for self expression. But I liked her for her humor, gaming interests, unique face, and her cosplays. Now she looks like a stripper I’d see buying a bag of chips from sheetz at 2am after a long shift.Most of her appeal was her authenticity and that's gone now so her popularity will deteriorate over time.
She will always have a certain amount of loyal simps but I'm not sure if they create enough revenue for her to keep the cars, house an other expensive expenditures...
So I've been talking to Moodie Maggie who uses the Verge Agency
She claims the agency hosts network events, social gatherings, collaborative projects, room & board for creators, and provides special assistance for models doing their yearly taxes. She said the agency she is with is very professional but was unaware of the malicious scams and deceitful practices the use when running her social media. She and I have been in private DM's discussing a different way for me to purchase her content. She's been thus far, very open and transparent, and even agreeing that this is a scam. She told me she already got rid of one management company and was not aware this new group is doing the same. Whether that is true or not remains to be seen. She agreed that maintaining a positive relationship with her clients is crucial for profits and growth and is going to fix the issues that I presented. I personally find that to be very commendable and a pathway to getting back on track with what works vs. what doesn't.
Her basic reasoning (if I understood her correctly) for joining this agency was time management. She has a life outside of sex work and can't manage the thousands of direct messages and fans trying to sext her all the time. She seems genuine and highly aware of the bad practices that have been associated with the use of these agencies, so it just begs to question if there is even a agency out there that doesn't scam people out of their money.
Suffice to say, I don't think Kiwi cares one bit at all, otherwise she would have immediately terminated her deal as soon as she found out. I'll see what happens with Maggie and report back, or post about it in the respective forum. For now, I wouldn't bet on Kiwi changing anything. That being a different agency, getting rid of the current one, producing any new content, or jumping into full on pornography.
She claims the agency hosts network events, social gatherings, collaborative projects, room & board for creators, and provides special assistance for models doing their yearly taxes. She said the agency she is with is very professional but was unaware of the malicious scams and deceitful practices the use when running her social media. She and I have been in private DM's discussing a different way for me to purchase her content. She's been thus far, very open and transparent, and even agreeing that this is a scam. She told me she already got rid of one management company and was not aware this new group is doing the same. Whether that is true or not remains to be seen. She agreed that maintaining a positive relationship with her clients is crucial for profits and growth and is going to fix the issues that I presented. I personally find that to be very commendable and a pathway to getting back on track with what works vs. what doesn't.
Her basic reasoning (if I understood her correctly) for joining this agency was time management. She has a life outside of sex work and can't manage the thousands of direct messages and fans trying to sext her all the time. She seems genuine and highly aware of the bad practices that have been associated with the use of these agencies, so it just begs to question if there is even a agency out there that doesn't scam people out of their money.
Suffice to say, I don't think Kiwi cares one bit at all, otherwise she would have immediately terminated her deal as soon as she found out. I'll see what happens with Maggie and report back, or post about it in the respective forum. For now, I wouldn't bet on Kiwi changing anything. That being a different agency, getting rid of the current one, producing any new content, or jumping into full on pornography.
You're all missing the only, simplest reason these girls are signing up in agencies by making wild text bricks
It all comes down to; if it wasn't making them shit tons more money, they wouldn't be doing it.
Obviously, we're here discussing about not buying content like if she even cared. This forum is a vocal minority. It doesn't even matter if people here are like "Ew she's going to hit the wall because agency!!" because it's such a micro amount of people compared to her giant community
Kiwi is probably rolling in fucking big bucks right now because of her agency. She was begging for money last month, this is all gone now
Did it ruin her page for us here? Yes
Do most her fans think so? No
It all comes down to; if it wasn't making them shit tons more money, they wouldn't be doing it.
Obviously, we're here discussing about not buying content like if she even cared. This forum is a vocal minority. It doesn't even matter if people here are like "Ew she's going to hit the wall because agency!!" because it's such a micro amount of people compared to her giant community
Kiwi is probably rolling in fucking big bucks right now because of her agency. She was begging for money last month, this is all gone now
Did it ruin her page for us here? Yes
Do most her fans think so? No
capnfaphn20
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You are right that it all does come down to money. But who is actually making it? After all of the backlash and outrage from so many girls about these things, some of it seems like insane moves on their part, and so many agencies broke up and disbanded because of it. Again, thats her choice and she made it. So whatever.
It does make sense that she would join something that has connections and it benefits her, otherwise she would be mentally stupid. It also makes sense that she probably got a nice payday signing up with them like they often do so it solves her needing money issue. I have a hard time believing she is broke, but its also not my business except for the fact she was putting it out there in a cringe way. Even though OF has been on the income and revenue rise as a site, the creators have been taking massive hits on the individual level and the agencies are the ones making out from it because its like getting pieces of everyones pie, so it works for them when its combined.
To be clear, she doesnt owe me or anyone anything. I actually have never talked to her once either. I only stuck around for a couple months thinking she would be back based on what she said, and when she didnt, why wait? Then it was radio silence for months on end to the point I forgot about her. And most of my information came from here because it wasnt worth trying to keep up with her. I just dont care. What did get my attention was the sudden influx of messages from these stagnant accounts and all of them happened within the same day and all had the identical format word for word that was in hers, so it just goes back to being a disappointment. I see I am not the only one.
Everything you said makes perfect sense and I agree as well. It probably will work out and I can see how. Its more the infestation of these management cos that take what was a nice thing and fuck it up to be unbearable. This doesnt just go for her though, so the golden days are long over.