Discussion Worst Experience with a pornstar/model?

[Princeofcunny]

but you can't just make it a public witch-hunt either especially without providing proof and only providing hearsay.

I'm not an expert on the metoo movement but isn't that quite literally how it started? Also ecaleb's get accused of rape, grooming, sexual assault, harassment, ect... all the time and typically nothing is done about it. To my naive porn sick brain the past decade taught me that actually you can steer up a witch hunt with scent evidence and get away relatively unscathed.

 

[AG699]

I'm not an expert on the metoo movement but isn't that quite literally how it started? Also ecaleb's get accused of rape, grooming, sexual assault, harassment, ect... all the time and typically nothing is done about it. To my naive porn sick brain the past decade taught me that actually you can steer up a witch hunt with scent evidence and get away relatively unscathed.

Not going to say I'm some sort of expert either but I think it started with legitimate problems with executives and producers like Harvey Weinstein and others with lots of money and power. Becoming a Hollywood actress is whole different beast than the porn world there's waaaayyy more money and reputation on the line. So there's more incentive to keep your mouth shut if a director or producer gets too handsy for example.

The problem with the 'metoo' thing imo is that while there were a lot of scumbags in Hollywood getting called out for shitty behavior, people who just had a bad experience were being called out too. I'm thinking like Aziz Ansari in this case, who went on a bad date, there was miscommunication and he got "metoo'ed" when he probably didn't deserve it.

The issue of ''nothing gets done about it'' I think is kinda right - almost. The mainstream world of Hollywood is a world in that, if there's evidence and you're bad enough *something* gets done about it. Harvey Weinstein is a convicted sex offender, so is Bill Cosby. So something "got done" deservedly so. But i'm also sure there's lots that happens that continues to get swept under the rug with hush money or promises of fame.

Porn world is different. It's hard to get on board with sex crimes in porn world because sex is literally part of the job. A lot of people simply don't give a shit about pornstars and sex workers because of the way society sees these women. But women are a dime a dozen in porn, men aren't. Reliable men especially aren't. Despite what a lot of people think, it's not necessarily easy being a male pornstar, that's why we all sorta know the popular ones and why we see the same ones popup a lot. It's because they're reliable to show up, perform, stay hard, have stamina, can pop on command.

So male pornstars will probably get a pass for shit behavior and not get called out on it because:

1. they're reliable performers and that's hard to come by, so their shit behavior gets ignored and

2. because the wider population doesn't care about sex workers like they do mainstream Hollywood celebs. When a pornstar dies, it doesn't make the mainstream news.

 

[Princeofcunny]

The issue of ''nothing gets done about it'' I think is kinda right - almost. The mainstream world of Hollywood is a world in that, if there's evidence and you're bad enough *something* gets done about it. Harvey Weinstein is a convicted sex offender, so is Bill Cosby. So something "got done" deservedly so. But i'm also sure there's lots that happens that continues to get swept under the rug with hush money or promises of fame.

That's not what I meant, I mean that as far as I can tell, you indeed can steer up a witch hunt with scent evidence and get away with it. It doesn't matter if a good amount of said claims are false (which I'm not saying these are I haven't looked in to any of them) it's very likely that nothing will be done to you. While I understand being afraid of law suits on a pragmatic level. Realistically how often do false accusers get sued? The comment I was responding to made it seem like throwing around accusations with little to no evidence is a bad idea and I'm skeptical of that. Is it illegal? Yes. Is it unethical? Sure. Is anything likely to be done to the person? I doubt anything legal would get done they'd maybe get black listed but sadly that would probably have happened regardless of the credibility of the accusation.

I suppose my question is this: if some lady steers up a big enough stink with false allegations how likely is it that there would even be consequences? Additionally how likely are porn actors, produces, and studios likely to actually do anything about false allegations besides grumble about them, make some threats and forget about it a few months or years later?

 

[Yeezylipa]

me too. I think brazzers also has done some fake squirt like in those videos where tiffany wattson and chloe temple (2 separate videos) are cum dodging and then they prank their bfs by squirting on them. Except tiffany actually squirts on camera because she's a massive squirter but chloe's video doesn't even show her when the supposed squirting happens, heck I don't even know if she can actually squirt. Like why not just get a different girl who CAN squirt like you did with tiffany or just leave that part out in the chloe video

brazzers has been doing this a lot lately in videos and its really annoying. there was a recent scene they did this in with willow ryder that i was very excited for after seeing "squirt" was one of the tags and given she is not a regular squirter but in the scene you can clearly see they obviously just filled her pussy with lube and then quickly cut back to her in time to catch her pushing it out

i can other remember examples of them doing something like this with jane wilde and more recently bella rolland where they don't even bother doing that much and instead just cut away from the girls completely to watch the male talent in the scene react to the supposed projectile "squirt" that the girl just unleashed. so lazy and phony to the point that it takes you out of the scene

 

[Exemplar]

I bought a custom video from Hannarobins several years ago. She did a very nice job on the video and had several casual conversations about what it was like filming it. The issue was she offered it for sale like 45 days later on her site. So much for an exclusive custom video.

So I know why (or at least have a very real suspicion) this came about:
If a creator gives you a great deal (or even somewhat reasonable one) and great service on a custom, it WILL be on a clip site within weeks if not sooner.
No matter how much you paid for that "exclusive" the creator is going to make generally 10x that on the clip sites, at the very least! Actually the more you pay for it (it's longer, more detailed, involved, and scripted) the sooner it will go up!

If any of you are old Manyvids customers you will remember there use to be a custom of the creators outright stating in the description:
"This was a custom for _____. I received his/her permission to post it."

Now your lucky if the creator says: "The name ____ is used repeatedly" (Bella Bates is one of the few who still do this on a regular basis)
The reason for this is obvious, as good video will become permanent income and could be the ultimate showcase for your work. A good example is Rainbow Slut and specifically, Kawaii School Girl:

https://www.manyvids.com/Video/1634623/Kawaii-School-Girl-Anal-Creampie/

It's her most sold vid has almost 45k views, and she repeatedly looks at the camera and says the name Steven. And if you think she's doing that as some kind of adlib, I think you need to see a doctor about that head injury. I've gotten ten of her vids on sale now and at least three of them (and probably the best three) are obviously customs. It's horribly annoying and I wish she would tag that this was specifically a custom, but that might hurt its sales

How do I know this? I was recently in talks for a custom with several models during the Spring Contest, and almost to a one even before we came to terms they wanted to see the full script (even though the price was already set due to the contest), and almost every single model asked me if they could call me something else almost anything else, other than my actual name (it's middle eastern).
I responded to each of them "My names not that bad is it", and each hemmed and hawed until they finally admitted my name was sufficiently 'foreign' enough (even though I'm a 7 or 8th generation African American) that it might be a "turn off" for when they posted it to the site. Almost all of them then admitted after a little interrogation that the assumption of a commission being private, was a thing of the past and you could not pay most of them enough to keep it private permanently if the script was good enough and the video was hot enough. Especially if it involved specialized clothing, make-up or toys (which you also have to purchase) because somebody else will be into that shit and fetish/cosplay niches can make you a LOT of money especially if you (the mode) are the only one exploiting it.


You're real lucky to have gotten almost two months.

 

[Thisbsagain]

So I know why (or at least have a very real suspicion) this came about:
If a creator gives you a great deal (or even somewhat reasonable one) and great service on a custom, it WILL be on a clip site within weeks if not sooner.
No matter how much you paid for that "exclusive" the creator is going to make generally 10x that on the clip sites, at the very least! Actually the more you pay for it (it's longer, more detailed, involved, and scripted) the sooner it will go up!

If any of you are old Manyvids customers you will remember there use to be a custom of the creators outright stating in the description:
"This was a custom for _____. I received his/her permission to post it."

Now your lucky if the creator says: "The name ____ is used repeatedly" (Bella Bates is one of the few who still do this on a regular basis)
The reason for this is obvious, as good video will become permanent income and could be the ultimate showcase for your work. A good example is Rainbow Slut and specifically, Kawaii School Girl:

https://www.manyvids.com/Video/1634623/Kawaii-School-Girl-Anal-Creampie/

It's her most sold vid has almost 45k views, and she repeatedly looks at the camera and says the name Steven. And if you think she's doing that as some kind of adlib, I think you need to see a doctor about that head injury. I've gotten ten of her vids on sale now and at least three of them (and probably the best three) are obviously customs. It's horribly annoying and I wish she would tag that this was specifically a custom, but that might hurt its sales

How do I know this? I was recently in talks for a custom with several models during the Spring Contest, and almost to a one even before we came to terms they wanted to see the full script (even though the price was already set due to the contest), and almost every single model asked me if they could call me something else almost anything else, other than my actual name (it's middle eastern).
I responded to each of them "My names not that bad is it", and each hemmed and hawed until they finally admitted my name was sufficiently 'foreign' enough (even though I'm a 7 or 8th generation African American) that it might be a "turn off" for when they posted it to the site. Almost all of them then admitted after a little interrogation that the assumption of a commission being private, was a thing of the past and you could not pay most of them enough to keep it private permanently if the script was good enough and the video was hot enough. Especially if it involved specialized clothing, make-up or toys (which you also have to purchase) because somebody else will be into that shit and fetish/cosplay niches can make you a LOT of money especially if you (the mode) are the only one exploiting it.


You're real lucky to have gotten almost two months.

Oh I totally agree I asked the dude from naughtymidwestgirl how much for a custom.

Keep you in mind the dude is gonna fuck a chick. He said it would be 500 to 600 dollars. But the script would need to fall in line with the content he already says. I said alright then I mentioned I want this actress and he said he couldn't get her anymore but that he was gonna get another girl.

So I was like dude your just having me pay for your models to im a dumbass and get absolutely nothing that I want in return hahah

So I believe it.

Am also friends with cosplayers that legit have sent me "custom" content for other clients jus because am nice...

 

[Milliexx]

Holy FUCK I forgot about Ivy Aura. Biggest pain in the ass by a mile I've ever dealt with trying to get anything from and probably the cuntiest camgirl I've ever seen in 15 years doing this sort of shit. I remember when I used to follow her on Twitter years ago and it was an endless barrage of her basically attacking/insulting her fans for stupid nothingburgers constantly.

she still acts passive aggressive when she can't reach her goals and dumps it to her fans calling them undeserving lol

 

[FNG69]

Oh I totally agree I asked the dude from naughtymidwestgirl how much for a custom.

Keep you in mind the dude is gonna fuck a chick. He said it would be 500 to 600 dollars. But the script would need to fall in line with the content he already says. I said alright then I mentioned I want this actress and he said he couldn't get her anymore but that he was gonna get another girl.

So I was like dude your just having me pay for your models to im a dumbass and get absolutely nothing that I want in return hahah

So I believe it.

Am also friends with cosplayers that legit have sent me "custom" content for other clients jus because am nice...

Is this the old guy you're talking about?

 

[Rikuu]

brazzers has been doing this a lot lately in videos and its really annoying. there was a recent scene they did this in with willow ryder that i was very excited for after seeing "squirt" was one of the tags and given she is not a regular squirter but in the scene you can clearly see they obviously just filled her pussy with lube and then quickly cut back to her in time to catch her pushing it out

i can other remember examples of them doing something like this with jane wilde and more recently bella rolland where they don't even bother doing that much and instead just cut away from the girls completely to watch the male talent in the scene react to the supposed projectile "squirt" that the girl just unleashed. so lazy and phony to the point that it takes you out of the scene

you're absolutely right. I don't watch bella rolland but I'm pretty sure jane wilde is at least capable of squirting but she's not a projectile squirter like tiffany wattson or adriana chechik. I just can't understand why they wouldn't just cast a girl who can actually squirt like that if they want a scene that involves it

 

[Rikuu]

So I know why (or at least have a very real suspicion) this came about:
If a creator gives you a great deal (or even somewhat reasonable one) and great service on a custom, it WILL be on a clip site within weeks if not sooner.
No matter how much you paid for that "exclusive" the creator is going to make generally 10x that on the clip sites, at the very least! Actually the more you pay for it (it's longer, more detailed, involved, and scripted) the sooner it will go up!

If any of you are old Manyvids customers you will remember there use to be a custom of the creators outright stating in the description:
"This was a custom for _____. I received his/her permission to post it."

Now your lucky if the creator says: "The name ____ is used repeatedly" (Bella Bates is one of the few who still do this on a regular basis)
The reason for this is obvious, as good video will become permanent income and could be the ultimate showcase for your work. A good example is Rainbow Slut and specifically, Kawaii School Girl:

https://www.manyvids.com/Video/1634623/Kawaii-School-Girl-Anal-Creampie/

It's her most sold vid has almost 45k views, and she repeatedly looks at the camera and says the name Steven. And if you think she's doing that as some kind of adlib, I think you need to see a doctor about that head injury. I've gotten ten of her vids on sale now and at least three of them (and probably the best three) are obviously customs. It's horribly annoying and I wish she would tag that this was specifically a custom, but that might hurt its sales

How do I know this? I was recently in talks for a custom with several models during the Spring Contest, and almost to a one even before we came to terms they wanted to see the full script (even though the price was already set due to the contest), and almost every single model asked me if they could call me something else almost anything else, other than my actual name (it's middle eastern).
I responded to each of them "My names not that bad is it", and each hemmed and hawed until they finally admitted my name was sufficiently 'foreign' enough (even though I'm a 7 or 8th generation African American) that it might be a "turn off" for when they posted it to the site. Almost all of them then admitted after a little interrogation that the assumption of a commission being private, was a thing of the past and you could not pay most of them enough to keep it private permanently if the script was good enough and the video was hot enough. Especially if it involved specialized clothing, make-up or toys (which you also have to purchase) because somebody else will be into that shit and fetish/cosplay niches can make you a LOT of money especially if you (the mode) are the only one exploiting it.


You're real lucky to have gotten almost two months.

I've actually noticed that with 1111customs, where in most of the video the girls are making it for very basic names like dan or jonathan but then again they do sometimes have uncommon names like one tori black video where she's talking to "arno". I don't really care what the name is, I'm not particularly a fan of videos that were made for a special person and thus the girl only says their name but at least it's still good content.

 

[Gtyruush]

If any of you are old Manyvids customers you will remember there use to be a custom of the creators outright stating in the description:
"This was a custom for _____. I received his/her permission to post it."

EmmasSecretLife always states in her clips description that it was a custom for said name & has their permission to post it

I'm a BIG fan of MV Custom Video style where the customer orders their custom video to said creator, The funds are withheld from the creator if/when said creator makes & delivers said custom video to customer

If the custom video is not fulfilled with said amount of time, Funds are automatically refunded to customer

This style protects BOTH the customers & creators

If only OnlyFans did the same, But we all know they don't care for either customers & creators

 

[Exemplar]

EmmasSecretLife always states in her clips description that it was a custom for said name & has their permission to post it

I'm a BIG fan of MV Custom Video style where the customer orders their custom video to said creator, The funds are withheld from the creator if/when said creator makes & delivers said custom video to customer

If the custom video is not fulfilled with said amount of time, Funds are automatically refunded to customer

This style protects BOTH the customers & creators

If only OnlyFans did the same, But we all know they don't care for either customers & creators

You are correct. Like I stated, most of the models/creators use to do the full Monty, now you're generally lucky to get a "The name ___ is used repeatedly".
Emmassecretlife does it (she's just WAY too expensive), and that maybe why her videos are at a premium, both because she ask permission to post videos and she charges a princely sum for commissions so she doesn't feel obligated to post them to make up expenses.

Oh I totally agree I asked the dude from naughtymidwestgirl how much for a custom.

Keep you in mind the dude is gonna fuck a chick. He said it would be 500 to 600 dollars. But the script would need to fall in line with the content he already says. I said alright then I mentioned I want this actress and he said he couldn't get her anymore but that he was gonna get another girl.

So I was like dude your just having me pay for your models to im a dumbass and get absolutely nothing that I want in return hahah

So I believe it.

Am also friends with cosplayers that legit have sent me "custom" content for other clients jus because am nice...

It took me a minute to figure out what the problem with this arrangement was...even after you spelled it out:

- You were not paying to see him in the video, you were paying to see a model you liked get fucked.
- He didn't have the model you wanted.
- He wouldn't actually do the script you wanted, just a slight variation to his standard script.
- He wanted you to pay $500-$600 dollars to make more content for his site (and get him laid), and not even content you would be into watching

This guy has some balls. The sad part? He's probably gotten quiet a few people to go along with his bullshit, because like I said, it took me a minute to realize that you would get nothing out of this. I mean I was peeved they didn't want to use my name, this guy was just straight up trying to get you to fund a video for his site, maybe with some random girl saying your name, maybe. I'm amazed you didn't just tell him off.

I hope you were able to go somewhere else with someone who was willing to actually make a custom video.

 

[naive]

That's not what I meant, I mean that as far as I can tell, you indeed can steer up a witch hunt with scent evidence and get away with it. It doesn't matter if a good amount of said claims are false (which I'm not saying these are I haven't looked in to any of them) it's very likely that nothing will be done to you. While I understand being afraid of law suits on a pragmatic level. Realistically how often do false accusers get sued? The comment I was responding to made it seem like throwing around accusations with little to no evidence is a bad idea and I'm skeptical of that. Is it illegal? Yes. Is it unethical? Sure. Is anything likely to be done to the person? I doubt anything legal would get done they'd maybe get black listed but sadly that would probably have happened regardless of the credibility of the accusation.

I suppose my question is this: if some lady steers up a big enough stink with false allegations how likely is it that there would even be consequences? Additionally how likely are porn actors, produces, and studios likely to actually do anything about false allegations besides grumble about them, make some threats and forget about it a few months or years later?

You speak in hypotheticals because this doesn't happen at any significant rate

 

[Gtyruush]

You are correct. Like I stated, most of the models/creators use to do the full Monty, now you're generally lucky to get a "The name ___ is used repeatedly".
Emmassecretlife does it (she's just WAY too expensive), and that maybe why her videos are at a premium, both because she ask permission to post videos and she charges a princely sum for commissions so she doesn't feel obligated to post them to make up expenses.

& Also, Her custom videos are very much worth it for what you ask her for

She's 1 of the rare few that actually does exactly what you ask her in a custom video because she takes pride in her work

 

[Princeofcunny]

You speak in hypotheticals because this doesn't happen at any significant rate

Do you mean false accusations don't happen in any significant amount? I'm rather skeptical of that since I've known a few girls that have used the terms rape and rapist rather liberally. They just don't make police reports so they don't go into statistics. But none of that matters since my question had nothing to do with frequency but instead had to do do with what you or anyone reading this thinks the most likely consequence the women (or man) throwing around these accusations would face? The guy I was replying to made it seem like a made idea on, what I assume, is a pragmatic level and I am expressing skepticism of that.

 

[AG699]

if some lady steers up a big enough stink with false allegations how likely is it that there would even be consequences?

Probably not many consequences. I don't think I've ever heard of a pornstar stir up false allegations and receive consequences. If anyone else has, feel free to chime in. My guess is that girls stirring shit up with no evidence is bad for themselves because no one wants to work with a shit-disturber. It'll effect their booking rate.

how likely are porn actors, produces, and studios likely to actually do anything about false allegations besides grumble about them, make some threats and forget about it a few months or years later?

Ron Jeremy and James Deen are two big names that got some degree of consequences for their allegations. So obviously, when the allegations are true and indisputable, something is being done.

If allegations are false, they (porn actors, produces, and studios) are probably likely to shut up about it. Try to ignore it forget it. Why stir up shit, if if the shit isn't even true? Maybe they'll defend themselves (as BangBros did when Mia Khalifa was alleging things against them) or again, they'll just sweep it under the rug.

Do you mean false accusations don't happen in any significant amount?

You seem to be hung up on the false accusations thing when the real issue is actual predatory behavior being swept under the rug to protect producers/studios/bad actors.

 

[Princeofcunny]

Probably not many consequences. I don't think I've ever heard of a pornstar stir up false allegations and receive consequences. If anyone else has, feel free to chime in. My guess is that girls stirring shit up with no evidence is bad for themselves because no one wants to work with a shit-disturber. It'll effect their booking rate.

Ron Jeremy and James Deen are two big names that got some degree of consequences for their allegations. So obviously, when the allegations are true and indisputable, something is being done.

If allegations are false, they (porn actors, produces, and studios) are probably likely to shut up about it. Try to ignore it forget it. Why stir up shit, if if the shit isn't even true? Maybe they'll defend themselves (as BangBros did when Mia Khalifa was alleging things against them) or again, they'll just sweep it under the rug.

Thanks for answering the questions first of all as honestly that was genuinely all I was really interested in. We share alot the same thoughts.

You seem to be hung up on the false accusations thing when the real issue is actual predatory behavior being swept under the rug to protect producers/studios/bad actors.

Hmm I am hung up on it but I really did bring it up only because of the original comment I replied to. I don't have much to say about any of this, because I don't watch porn from any of the studios, I mainly watch solo stuff, I don't know who any of these people are honestly, I stick to hentai and erotica mostly so I'm rather apathic about this entire thing unlikely you my dear friend. So I don't have a whole lot to say besides things like "Yes it terrible they cover up stuff" and "Perhaps the girls didn't want to say anything because they are hesitant to get the cops involved"

The aspect of this that peaked my interest enough for me to comment about it was this part of your comment "but you can't just make it a public witch-hunt either especially without providing proof and only providing hearsay." Which to me reads like you saying that spreading accusations based on little evidence is a bad idea and while that makes intuitive sense I wasn't sure that was actually true or not after thinking about it. So I made my original comment.

 

[Rrichard899]

I know brazzers and reality kings have gone the route of faking a lot of things in their videos and that’s where my question comes from, I don’t know if the girl in this scene actually faked the squirting part but I was just wondering if you guys would be able to tell me on here and also could you guys tell me if she was faking the whole entire scene or was she actually into it? The link to the video is this https://pornez.net/video853056/rkprime-22-06-21-lexi-aaane-try-to-make-me-squirt/

 

[Thisbsagain]

Is this the old guy you're talking about?

Yup

 

[AnonymousVoyeur]

A lot of people said the same stuff about Anton, that one's pretty sure. Rob Piper, Brad Newman, Jax Slayher, Marcus Dupree, Ryan Madison, and a few others are also pretty definite at this point.

it seems majority of these top male stars who have been in the industry for past 25 years or so have involved in these allegations