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Hey Guys! This thread is the official thread for VTuber Drama. That way we can keep the General VTuber thread more focused on their more R18 activities of VTubers and less about the latest drama of the week. :Bootylicious:
 
Recent drama of the past few weeks:
Yozora Mel / Rika: Still not back from her hiatus
Rushia / Mikeneko: Streaming regularly, seems to be her usual self
Nijisanji Bad? Selen Good? Bully who?
Drama thread but no one wants to use it? :Bootylicious:
 
New Mikeneko news just dropped

the Japanese courts have apparently released a record of her past request to get personal information of anonymous posters she claimed slandered her..
Court report here in Japanese.
TL;DR (Also, I've never had to read legalese in Japanese before so apologies in advance for any errors.)
  • The court proceedings ended on Oct. 27, 2023, a judgment was passed on Jan. 18.
  • The anonymous posts were posted on Aug. 15-16, 2022, so the court request may have been filed around then.
  • She hired eight lawyers for this one request. The defendant, the SoftBank Group (presumably because they provided internet/mobile data to the anonymous poster(s)), had only one.
Translation of one of the two anonymous posts in the report:
You should really stop saying things like, "I'm gonna lick this knife," "I wanna kill 'em" at age 33.
It's just creepy.
Act your age!
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(The other only contained a redacted URL, apparently to imgur.)
Her five arguments justifying the disclosure of information were:

1. Breach of privacy​

  • Judgment: Invalid because Rushia's age is discoverable with a single Google search.

2. Infringing her honour​

  • Judgment: It is in fact creepy to say things like "I'm gonna lick this knife," or "I wanna kill 'em," so it wouldn't be considered illegal under Japanese law.

3. Copyright violations​

  • Judgment: The image was hosted on an external site (imgur) so linking it isn't illegal since you can't know if the poster uploaded it. (Also it apparently wasn't copyrightable for some reason...? Something about it being editable.)

4. Copyright requirement to source other people's work with a name​

  • (Apparently the imgur screenshot cropped out her name)
  • Judgment: The wording was kinda confusing for this one, but I think the final judgment was that the name didn't need to be displayed because the image redacted personally identifiable information...?

5. Disclosure is necessary in order to press charges against the anonymous posters​

  • There was no specific judgment for this argument.
Most people in the replies and quote-retweets seem to be most amused about the judgment for Argument #2, as a judge told her in polite legalese that they agreed with the anonymous poster.
post copied from /u/centennialcrane over on the Hobby Scuffles thread on /r/HobbyDrama
 
Looking at Niji and its bullying allegations, is someone in Hololive a former niji aside from Luna ?
 
Is there really any point of having this thread? It's a porn forum after all. Unless all of these girls you discuss will suddenly start posting nudes, I see no point of talking about them.
 
TK97 said:
Is there really any point of having this thread? It's a porn forum after all. Unless all of these girls you discuss will suddenly start posting nudes, I see no point of talking about them.
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quarantine

its better to allow somewhere for this type of discussion so it doesnt effect other locations. the other option is to outright ban the topic, but that requires more moderation and isnt really an effective way to actually get rid of it since it will happen and will cause others to chime in.

if you dont care for this topic you can easily just make sure the thread is not 'watched' and just dont click into it.


now on topic:
niji's PR attempt on elira's channel seems quite fucked. feels far to scripted to be the livers own words, and they start by saying "we dont condone harassing people" then basically shit talk selen

the mention of legal paperwork potentially being doxx level for elira, millie, and enna is also kinda dumb, they are almost confirming that these livers are part of the problem since they wouldnt be mentioned in such detail for a legal battle if they were not implicated

niji really going down hill fast right now
 
xutox19 said:
quarantine

its better to allow somewhere for this type of discussion so it doesnt effect other locations. the other option is to outright ban the topic, but that requires more moderation and isnt really an effective way to actually get rid of it since it will happen and will cause others to chime in.

if you dont care for this topic you can easily just make sure the thread is not 'watched' and just dont click into it.


now on topic:
niji's PR attempt on elira's channel seems quite fucked. feels far to scripted to be the livers own words, and they start by saying "we dont condone harassing people" then basically shit talk selen

the mention of legal paperwork potentially being doxx level for elira, millie, and enna is also kinda dumb, they are almost confirming that these livers are part of the problem since they wouldnt be mentioned in such detail for a legal battle if they were not implicated

niji really going down hill fast right now
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Everyone knows that they are reading a script cause:
1. Intonation
2. The Pauses
 
Sakata2255 said:
Everyone knows that they are reading a script cause:
1. Intonation
2. The Pauses
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didnt mean to question if it was scripted or not, what i meant was that it sounds too "official" or whatever and i question the validity of it being "what we say in this stream is our own words and our own feelings"

it seems far more likely that this was written by someone in the company, discussed with lawyers, and then they wrangled up a few livers willing (or coerced) to ruin their image.

with mentions of elira and vox being in the legal documents i wouldnt be suprised if that information was used by anycolor to persuade them that they need to make this statement
 
And then Nijisanji doxed Doki to at least 3 other livers.

And then Niji published sealed court documents on Elira's channel, and said that it doesn't count as an NDA violation since she wasn't the Niji employee who signed the NDA with Doki's lawyers.

And then Riku apologized to the shareholders.

What a year these past 5 and a half hours have been.
 
CliffEdge said:
And then Nijisanji doxed Doki to at least 3 other livers.

And then Niji published sealed court documents on Elira's channel, and said that it doesn't count as an NDA violation since she wasn't the Niji employee who signed the NDA with Doki's lawyers.

And then Riku apologized to the shareholders.

What a year these past 5 and a half hours have been.
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yeah i dont really understand the whole "well the livers didnt sign an NDA about that so theres no legal issue"
like cmon, how did they get it? from you. who signed an NDA? you. so theres a legal issue here cus you broke the NDA.
not to mention these are niji employees, spreading confidential information on niji owned platforms.... sounds like niji is breaking NDA to me
 
Oh by the way Scarle hearted a comment that said "Kurosanji" in the comments section of her latest vod. She (or her manager) unhearted it, but it did happen and there are screenshots.

And Scarle was the only liver to not like and/or retweet Elira's tweet announcing that prepared statement that Niji lawyers wrote.

Start saving her vods. Expedite, because we may have less than four hours left before she's gone.
 
I hope Hana graduates so they can shlick on stream.

In all seriousness though, I think this is gonna have a big impact on corpo vtubing in general. With all the controversies piling up surrounding corpos, I believe most of the good talent will stay indie and the entry level for passing auditions will start to lower.
 
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